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Joe Lykins's avatar

I came to this site as a result of entering "how to be a stoic in a democracy" into Bing Chat. What a great choice! Thanks for your insights. I have been studying Stoicism for two years now, mostly relying on Ryan Holiday's books. Lately, though, I developed a need to leave Ryan H. behind. I have read Aurelius, Seneca, and Epictetus (starting on Epictetus for a second round). And the question still nags at me. Your analysis hit the nail on the head. Aurelius and Seneca seem to me to be too aristocratic to appeal to me fully, whereas Epictetus seems more like a "normal" citizen. My biggest issue is this: Epictetus tells us that what is important is not impressions, but our opinions about impressions. The thing about democracy is that to be an active, good citizen a person must not only have opinions, but also be mindful of the opinions of others, especially politicians. I'm thinking that our founding fathers were not Stoics. Otherwise, we would be saluting the Union Jack.

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Duane Toops's avatar

A compelling read and well-constructed argument! While I've studied a fair amount of Philosophy academically, I've not done an indepth ananlysis of stoicism. I've tended to favor more eastern thought in many cases. And while, there's much I appreciate within Stoic ideas, I must admit I've also often found it to be far too individualistic and possibly hegemonic, but also I think this criticism works for much of Western Philosophy.

Thanks again for a really interesting piece!

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